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HXLohar
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For example, 1/100 Bonus freq, or buy one for 70x.
3-5 times per week, it took me 300+ spins to get one, and meanwhile my loss is 200x-400x. That's enough to buy multiple bonus. And those kind of Agonizing experience happen to me serveal times a week, causing considerable damage to my mental health.
But hitting more than the average amount of bonus, such as 3-5 bonus within 50 spins won't make me that happy. It's only a tiny amount of happiness, comparing to the pain I got from unable to hit enough bonus in 300-500 spins.

I really really need a "Fixed Bonus freq" feature.
Just, lock the bonus freq for me please. I'm willing to accept the following:
For a game with bonus freq 1/X, I only get bonus on every X/2X/3X/... spins (each have a small chance of being super bonus, of course), and impossible to land bonus for every other spin. Just like I'm buying a "pack" of spins every time: a total of X spins, including 1 bonus plus X-1 base spins.

I know there's an option of just become a bonus buy player instead. But there's a few things preventing me from doing so:
Losing 5000x+ on base spin in a month is already close to unaffordable to me, and I have to cut my expense on other entertainments to sustain this.
Even with regular bonus buy, I can see losing 10000x+ in a month is pretty likely to happen, and that's 100% unaffordable to me.
I want to see if I'm lucky enough to hit some great base game hits, as well as some longer sessions, which require a decent amount of base spins involved.
I want to sneak into a super bonus. With a regular bonus buy, I can only get an upgraded super bonus at most. And I'm not a big fan of lucky draw, nor it's affordable to me.

 
Posted : 14/02/2024 12:36 pm
HXLohar
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Just found some older BTG games that meet my requirement.
Lil Devil is like 500 spins = 1 lap which comes with a enhanced free spins.
Holy Diver is similar, need to collect 12 gems for a lv3 freespins, so it requires 12 events (instead of only 1 event which is usually 3 scatters), and this greatly reduces variance.

 
Posted : 17/02/2024 7:22 am
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Fiekie247
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In all honesty, bonus buys took the fun away for me. Man I tried many times the bonus buy in money train2/3/4 as well as some other relax slot like Top Dawg and those where I see lucky players hit the max win or at least 10k win every now and then, but it just does not work for me.

NLC, the normal bonuses are just not good anymore, the hype is all about the super bonus feature, but paying 500 - 2000x for a bonus is outside my budget.

Hence I play mostly slots from Play N Go and other older providers, where bonus buy is not an option, where I just enjoy spinning the reels normally and peacefully like I used to enjoy slots in 2015. Those were the days a person saw gambling as hobby instead of the means to make money.

I tried chasing features with bonus buys, but I am just not that lucky, I'd rather be okay with my 800x in Moon Princess or 3000x in Hammerfall and many other slots. It takes forever to hit these, but games does not rip my balance to far.

Do not get me wrong, I like high variance, but the fact that playing a highly volatile slot that takes 500 spins on average to bonus, to pay like a low variance 99% of the time or even just to pay nothing (Like Zeus vs Hades) or some others from BTG, Nolimit City, Relax gaming.

Even buying some relax gaming bonus buys, I end up always winning 70% of the buy, 90% of the time, which over time set me back in a negative overall.

 

 
Posted : 18/02/2024 9:35 pm
HXLohar
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Posted by: @fiekie247

NLC, the normal bonuses are just not good anymore

If you're asking for a 3000x-5000x, it's usually achieveable with the regular bonus, you just need to be extremely lucky. Hitting an upgrade also helps, but you still need to be super lucky afterwards.

Posted by: @fiekie247

Those were the days a person saw gambling as hobby instead of the means to make money.

I only played for one and a half year, or 800h of real money play time. I always treat it as a kind of entertainment (that usually cost money), not a way to make some additional money.

 
Posted : 20/02/2024 6:32 pm
Daniel
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@fiekie247 to be honest, I try to stay away from bonus buys. I rip too fast as it is already but with the bonus buys I can see €1k gone in the matter of minutes. The last three sessions I've had the bonus buys completely ruined me. I think I won 10-20x on all of them. It was ridiculous. My advice is to only deposit for entertainment and try to stick to smaller bets. If you start wildly chasing the big wins, that's where it can all go south.

 
Posted : 20/02/2024 6:34 pm
briancmc
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@admin Although I do not have experience on bonus buy due to country restriction, bonus buy feature is still good in certain games, all depends on the game design such as how profitable base game does, how often you can hit the bonus round, and does the bonus round can easily recover the loss you paid for spinning in the base game.

From my own experiment, providers that have slots in real life casino, their online slots are quite profitable in base game and fairly easy to hit the bonus round, suitable for short session with bigger bet.

On the other hand, providers with most of famous online slots, their new products slowly inclining to create potential big win feature spins with expensive bonus/super bonus buy, while base game in general very hard to profit.

Interestingly, Pragmatic Play is a bit special, some of their old slots that did not include bonus buy on day 1 are quite profitable when bonus buy was added, I guess the reason was those designs are quite hard to hit a bonus round, but once they hit, they usually pay great.

Moreover, though it is my personal belief, is that online slots' RNG and payout is not truly random, and somehow calculated base on all players' previous play result... yet no one can prove it and even if it can be proved, it would be  truely some business secrets.

 
Posted : 20/02/2024 8:07 pm
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Fiekie247
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@admin True - I mean I tried the bonus buy concept to give it a try, obviously with low budget, but it does not work for me at all.

I spin slots normally, and maybe use the extra bet feature to trigger bonus faster.

My point in all of this is, bonus buys ruined my gambling experience. I do not like or encourage bonus buys, but I mean I tried it, to see if I can be lucky, but in the end, I always am down or in a loss.

With bonus buy being introduced, normal slotting changed. The slot themselves do not play like it used to. I remember Jammin jars, on a weekly basis I would get that 1000x on average, now when bonus buy became an option, I struggle to get 100x, even though bonuses come in more frequently.

I know RTP is calculated over time on Millions if not a billion spins, and those fake streamers with huge bets and bonus buys has a bit of an effect on the RTP (IMHO) of course.

HXLohar - Maybe my message did not come across correctly in the first post, but what I wanted to say was Gambling is a Hobby/Entertainment/A way to push time, while busy with a BBQ or when just enjoying a glass of whiskey. I do not treat it as a way to make money.

I stay away from Bonus Buys as what is being portrayed on streams are not the reality, as they do not publish the amount of losses, before getting that incredible hit, nor admit the fact that they lose serious cash.

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 8:37 am
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Posted by: @briancmc

Moreover, though it is my personal belief, is that online slots' RNG and payout is not truly random, and somehow calculated base on all players' previous play result... yet no one can prove it and even if it can be proved, it would be  truely some business secrets.

 

I'm more concerned about the slot providers of those huge jackpots and when they pull that jackpot game/s they often don't refund any players whos bets contributed to that jackpot they are pocketing becase no one hit it when the game/s are retired.. It's happened a few times historically where millions have been stolen each time and no payment goes back to players. Theres also 1 case I've seen where they did refund players because they were operating in a regulated environment and got called out on it and had alot to lose.

 

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 8:51 am
degerardo99
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Posted by: @admin

@fiekie247 to be honest, I try to stay away from bonus buys. I rip too fast as it is already but with the bonus buys I can see €1k gone in the matter of minutes. The last three sessions I've had the bonus buys completely ruined me. I think I won 10-20x on all of them. It was ridiculous. My advice is to only deposit for entertainment and try to stick to smaller bets. If you start wildly chasing the big wins, that's where it can all go south.

Exactly my point and by my experience, when all the bonus buys become popular, of course I have tried it and went crazy on some months time. I was extremely, extremely lucky to get a few huge, I mean huge wins which covered it all, all that dark period of time of bonus buys one after another.. then - I think I have made a one post about it somewhere in comments, I went off of bonus buys totally! And never come back. I mean never and I am strong minded person, so I wont have problems about it. Then I went to high stakes for about a year of play (2 to 8 per spin) and again I was extremely lucky as fk, to hit some 5k bet wins, 4k bet wins to again, cover it all up and end up that year in a good profit. But then, I said fk it, and went to just have fun. Developing my own ideas and that gave me the completely different look at the games and how they works, behaves, math, rtp etc. that to go for bonus buys - it's the killer of fun, of entertainment, the killer of thrill and all that beauty you get as a player when bonus comes. At least it was, it is for me, especially looking back to that time of bonus buys. 
Now it's mostly BTG, Relax, Pragmatic and PG-Soft (Damn I have to urge to add them into reviews BWB!!!- they have smaller potential 5k to 10k, but damn their mechanics and ideas are amazing! And I have had often on them 300x bet, 500x bet which is great to keep the fun rolling ). With smaller bets 0.5 to 1.5x Bet and having amazing fun time and still hitting MASSIVE WINS - I have posted few into comments here and there.  
Anyway BTG is my fav now with Print, but BTG overcomes NLC easily - counting how many 500x bet wins, or 4000x bet wins I had in 2023 at BTG VS NLC - its absolutely crazy for BTG to be 95% to 5% of NLC. Seriously! 

Like this past two months - you know what? I am having fun with some milestones like - getting all bonus games on BTG in all games released on bets 0.5 and then play them one by one 🙂 So much fun, so much differences and some huuuuge wins, some tiny ones, but just an example. 
If there will be replies, I'd share them all out, but even now I am chasing last two games 🙂 (I am not playing Max2 and Panda as I've got once 0x Bet back from bonus and its bann)

 

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 11:34 am
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Fiekie247
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@degerardo99 My favourite slot provider now is Blueprint, BTG, Play'n Go and Relax Gaming for normal slot spinning.

I have been playing some PG soft, however only the oldies are paying decent, like Ganeisha, but the newer ones the bonus pays are poor. Can you recommend which PG soft slots you play that pay 300 - 500x so I can try some of them.

Maybe we should open a new thread recommending games (new) from certain "Odd" providers that not everyone play, like Fantasma, PG Soft, Bullet Proof, Slotmill etc. Because some of these providers have some decent games, especially slotmill ( Highly Volatile) though - this only applies if we do not have an existing thread that caters for slot recommendations.

I just want to discover slots that play decent, without bonus buys and try newer providers at the same time!

I here and there do the odd bonus buys on Relax Gaming slots, because they cheap though, but I do not buy on NLC or Push Gaming or Pragmatic Play

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 11:54 am
degerardo99
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@fiekie247 recommend which PG soft slots you play that pay 300 - 500x so I can try some of them:
Rise of Apollo, Legend of Perseus, Lucky Piggy, then my fav with 1000x + bet wins: Bakery Boonanza, Midas Fortune, Cruise Royale and just last week I had 830x Bet on Gladiator's glory 🙂
I am pure base game player and BTG in terms of math balance is by my findings the bets out there. Yup, you might run into dry 300 spins, or 400 spins, but their games are high volatile-remember it, and the wins above 1000x bet I had is countless as well. And by my experience the patience is the key, cause  out of 10 times dry periods, it eventually brings it all back, or hit you out of nowhere with something crazy as fk 🙂 and you can believe me, at ay spin. Like Holy Diver, I was playing it for fun on bet 0.4, just pure fun and before the bonus, it hit me basegame over 4.5kx Bet mate 🙂 Totally just random thing. 

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 12:17 pm
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briancmc
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Posted by: @fiekie247

@ HXLohar - Maybe my message did not come across correctly in the first post, but what I wanted to say was Gambling is a Hobby/Entertainment/A way to push time, while busy with a BBQ or when just enjoying a glass of whiskey. I do not treat it as a way to make money.

True, with the ease of access to various slots / table games online, gambling is still gambling, do not treat this as investment (even if you insist, it is still ultra high risk investment). I only bet with my spare money, or even free money collected from different online casinos to lower my cost to just time cost. If I am lucky enough, I can earn one or two decent dinners with my family.

Online streamers/youtubers have tons of way to sustain their wagering such as sponsoring, income from streamings/videos, viewers donations, other investments such as stock/crypto/real estate. I won't say they play with fake money but obviously they are not gambling with their life savings (even if they mention it in the video title, one example is some random youtube short saying Drake betting roulette with his life savings, I laughed so hard that I didn't even want to be clickbaited)

 

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 12:47 pm
briancmc
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Posted by: @teckiwi

Posted by: @briancmc

Moreover, though it is my personal belief, is that online slots' RNG and payout is not truly random, and somehow calculated base on all players' previous play result... yet no one can prove it and even if it can be proved, it would be  truely some business secrets.

 

I'm more concerned about the slot providers of those huge jackpots and when they pull that jackpot game/s they often don't refund any players whos bets contributed to that jackpot they are pocketing becase no one hit it when the game/s are retired.. It's happened a few times historically where millions have been stolen each time and no payment goes back to players. Theres also 1 case I've seen where they did refund players because they were operating in a regulated environment and got called out on it and had alot to lose.

 

Slots with big jackpot pool is hardly profitable, base game sucks, bonus game too complicated to reach the jackpot chance (like first you need to enter the bonus game, then you need to hit the jackpot chance in the bonus game, and finally still need to be very lucky to hit the grand jackpot). You can just consider it is a lottery machine, and why should they refund if their intention is to earn money from players lol. 

 

 
Posted : 21/02/2024 12:53 pm
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It's better to do some highroll, because it's possible to get x20,x30 bet than in big bonus buy. 65kx for example in new nolimit, when the biggest bonus buy is 3,2k means that you can get 20x more. Chasing for max win is pretty almost mistake.

 
 

 

 

 
Posted : 24/02/2024 12:08 pm
HXLohar
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Had a record of 50+ attempts on NLC games, some with classic +20%ish xBet, some without xBet.
Those attempts are spread across 10+ different NLC games.
Around 50% of them are able to trigger the 1st bonus before losing the cost of a bonus buy.
For the other 50%, the loss is at least 1 buy-in cost by the time the 1st bonus triggers.
It seems to follow a distribution:
The odd of losing at least X buy-in cost by the time you get your 1st bonus in the session, is 1 / (2 ^ X), where X > 0.
So 50%/25%/12.5%/... chance of down at least 1/2/3 buy-in cost.

 

Now take a look at the following scenario:
Your balance is exactly enough to buy a bonus.
You can either secure yourself a bonus round by buying one. And usually the bonus will pay you something so you won't end up with a 0 balance.
Or you can take the 50% risk of not getting a bonus and end up with a 0 balance.
Previously I've stick to base spin too much. I might still be a base game player in the future, but with one exception: when my balance is down to the cost of a bonus buy, I'll buy a bonus instead.

 
Posted : 17/03/2024 3:00 pm
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