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How to hit 500x+ wins, while spinning with a low balance sub 100x?

Started by Anonymous 10 replies
Anonymous
Degen
374 points
2 years ago
#1

I do math.
But today when I start doing some math, regarding myself almost impossible to hit any 500x+ with a low balance (<100x).
I can’t remember how many deposits I’ve made during the last 12 months. But should be around an avg of 1.5 per day, so ~550 deposits.
Excluding some deposits with withdrawal (~1 in 6), but then also factoring some bonus funds (weekly/monthly…), I assume I spent, or actually, wasted, 75000 spins with a extremely unhealthy balance of sub 100x.

Event Freq 1/6000(?), with 75000 Attempts (spins), and
I got this from ChatGPT 4o

IDK about many active NLC spinners (NOT buyers) are there. By active I mean no less than 10k spins per month.
So if there’s 20k active spinners, (from this perspective) I should be exactly the most unlucky one. If there’s 100k active spinners then I’m still among one of the most unlucky 5.

(?):
So where does this comes from? From my summary of Q1 and Q2 of 2024 which includes all 500x+ I achieved during that period of time, plus my play frequency of 500k-600k spins a year, also factor in I mainly play NLC games, my estimation of win 1000x+ difficulty is 1 in 15k-20k spins.
Then I also have another spreadsheet recording all 500x+ I achieved, it seems roughly every 1 in 3 500x+ belongs to the 1000x+ group. Which comes to an estimation of win 500x+ happens 1 in 6000 spins, at least for me (I sometimes use xBet)

  1. Dreswede
    High Roller
    1095 points
    2 years ago
    #2

    Hey lothar. I can honestly say i have been as Active as You and if you read my posts i am more than dissapointed, and by all means have a right to be. I dont think any of their numbers been right lately. Its false advertising and its not ok. Wise you the best mate ! 

  2. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #3

    @dreswede I think the number and info they provided are partially correct (70%+), with a few being somewhat off from my experience. As a lot of providers are here, it's understandable they can't just share all the secrets or too much info publicly.

    But yeah nothing is guaranteed. For example your blood and shadow super bonus, the odd of such event happening is R^7 (R=approx 36.7%) = 0.09%, and for my case it's <0.01%. It's been bothering me for a year.  Like a "deposit fee" of 100x every time. This fee can be reduced by depositing more (300x deposit and fee is 1/3 of the deposit, and 1Kx deposit then it's only 1/10), or lowering my bet. To avoid it I need to buy bonus or play limbo/mines/or other provably fair games to prevent getting charged this "fee" out of nowhere.

  3. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #4

    @hxlohar I have found the stats here from NLC completely a waste. One thing is to share them to the players, but the other one is if it actually holds up. Probably it does because of regulations and certifications - but who knows how spread the overall RTP and frequencies are in the Billions of spins. It might be all in "containers" divided in millions of spins into good RTP, bad RTP, goof frequencies, bad frequencies..etc etc as the number of billions of spins progresses. 
    1st 10 billion could be 50% RTP but the next 10 billion could be 140+/- % RTP to match the overall RTP out. 
    Its like Serial and upgrades, or exactly Blood and Shadow - where if you have say 3 bonuses in 10k spin in a container passed 2million spins - you can go absolutely nuts crazy and not hit one - Dreswede's case here. I am just making it up, but that's the one of the possibilities why their stats doesn't lined up at all. So when they share them - I look but I dont take them as solid information. More of a advertising thing. So I don't really care if they share it or not, but I'd prefer not to. So it's not publicly mis-leading. Latest Punk Rocker II - the stats are way too far off as well and I did 30.000 demo spins (action spins, no action spins..). So.. :D my friend, don't be surprise at all about the stats shared here.

  4. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #5

    Serial... was the turning point for me to have NLC stats trust going to garbage the second I see them :D
    The totally misleading bonuses upgrades, the 2 scatters retriggers, the chainsaw frequency and the main thing - the changes they did to the game month after release. Where everyone noticed how the behavior of the game has changed... so, how can you possibly take the stats to be anywhere close to be correct? ;) 

    BUT... it's a all very good thing at the end. I am playing more of BTG, PGSoft, RedTiger, Print, Pragmatic.. and actually, I am having much much more fun and stats aren't that bad at all! Especially BTG, considering their games are super volatile! :)

  5. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #6

    @degerardo99 I do feel some changes, although a sample size of 20k-50k spins is not big enough.

    Kenneth: with xBet, bonus freq seems unchanged but much more 2 scatter tease that fails (comparing to when it's newly released). 

    Tombstone Rip: xSplit big win (500x+) in regular bonus much harder. Upgraded super bonus become much worse overall.

    Also my issue it's not about NLC. It's for any provider, on any casino, if my balance fall below the 100x threshold and keep spinning the game will enter trash mode and wipe out my balance. And I'm done for the session.

    BTG is also one of my most trusted provider. So I'll give them a few more deposits. If all those deposits can't produce a session with cashout, and my performance on low balance is still as bad as always, then I'll have no other choice but to avoid spinning at low balance completely: Whenever my balance is close to the 100x red line, I stop spinning, and do some mines, limbo, crash, mission uncrossable on Roobet or whatever, and either come back with a healthy 300x-350x balance or nothing. At least I no longer need to suffer from the pain of low balance trash time. It has been tormenting me for a year, and I can't just pay 50000x deposit fee every year.

  6. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #7

    @hxlohar one thing I do often is, when my balance is below 100x bet, I go for Big Bad Bison, White Rabbit for great base game balance of play and more of then bonuses, or Big Bass: Secret of golden lake or Floats my Boat on stake 0.20, 0.30(xbet on) because you will hit at least a few bonuses and they might pay, but mostly give you great fun. That Big Bad Bison on bet 2 euros hit of 1.3k win was from 80 balance. Well, starting balance tho.

  7. kamura
    Banned
    2 years ago
    #8

    Hitting 500x+ wins with a low balance can be quite a challenge, but here are a few tips that might help:

    1. **Choose High Volatility Games:** These games have bigger payouts but less frequent wins. They can provide larger returns if you’re lucky.
    2. **Look for Bonus Features:** Games with bonus rounds or free spins often offer higher payouts.
    3. **Bet Strategically:** Start with smaller bets and increase them gradually when you're on a winning streak. This can maximize your potential return without risking too much.
    4. **Manage Your Bankroll:** Keep track of your balance and adjust your bets to extend your playtime, giving you more chances to hit a big win.

    Patience and luck play significant roles, so keep trying and stay positive!

  8. Anonymous
    Degen
    374 points
    2 years ago
    #9

    Time for some updates.

    Previous numbers might be inaccurate, due to me unable to estimate win 500x freq accurately.
    If the win 500x freq is 1 in 7k or 8k, then my luck on LBW would be bottom 1/5000 or 1/1250 respectively, over the past year. Still an insane number as I don't think there's like 1250 players like me doing 50k+ spins per month on BWB. So when I say I deserve a lot, I really mean it.

    LBW = Low Balance Win, usually referring to 500x+ wins.

    BTG

    Although I spent most of my time on NLC games, BTG is also one of my most trusted provider. At least prior to the Evolution (or what I call "evillution") takeover.
    My 2024 Q1 didn't end too bad, all thanks to degarardo99 recommended me playing some BTG, with two big wins paid €220 and €1000 respectively that definitely helped a lot. Plus their games are mostly pretty solid and didn't left me with much negative experience.
    And one day I saw him sharing a 500x+ on BTG. €70 deposit, €2 base bet. Wait what? 500x from a 35x starting deposit??!! And he told me it's OK to do high rolling on BTG games.
    I almost never deposit less than 300x. The higher the balance, the safer I feel. I can't do any <200x deposit, as my withdrawal goal remain unchanged, 85%+ of the time I will fail, and being charged that unreasonable 100x deposit fee. That's more than half of my deposit! Daylight robbery! But anyways, I choose to trust degerardo99 and do some BTG. I told myself, BTG is the last straw. I will do 6 more deposits on BTG games, 3 with €0.4 base bet (withdrawal goal is €200), and 3 with €0.2 (withdrawal goal is €160). Here's the plan: Happy Ending: If a LBW 500x+ happened, then BTG saved me and I will start to play BTG games significantly more frequent, perhaps even with a higher base bet.
    "To be continued" Ending: If a LBW 300x+ happened, or any of those session reached my withdrawal goal, this case will be on hold for a few weeks or months.
    Bad Ending: If none of those happened, then I'll have to self exclude from low balance spinning indefinitely, as something like 50000x in annual deposit fee is just ridiculous. I'll need to monitor the balance, and right before it's going to fall below 100x I need to stop spinning, using some Limbo, Mines, Mission Uncrossable, Hilo, Crash, or whatever to either get my balance back to a healthy level, usually the goal will be 300x-350x, or if it fails then session ends there immediately.

    The result is the 3rd one, which I'm prepared for. I'm also prepared for the low bonus freq. What shocked me, is that the absence of 200x+ wins.

    Unfortunately all those 6 sessions failed, with the 3rd one being the closet to withdrawal (only slightly more than €20 away but then it plummets). And even on my most trusted provider, a 500x+ LBW (Low Balance Win) is just too much to ask, and not feasible. And I also fail to hit anything good, or come up with any withdrawal.

    Some numbers:
    6 Deposits.
    -€400 total, half on 0.4 base bet plus half on 0.2 base bet = 1500x Total.
    Biggest win (multiplier) is under 200x, from a total of ~8500 spins. Starting from Q3 (Jul 1st), I record how much I've wagered each session. Divide that by base bet of the session and I got my spin count in a session.
    I can't remember when did such kind of event happened on me last time, should be very long ago that I can't remember the details. Yeah 100x still exists, and a decent amount of them, but that's it. It stop there, with nothing 200x or above.

    Some other things.
    One day I lost 200x on Beef Lightning w/o hitting a bonus. The other day my 300x deposit lasted for 4 hours but only got 4 bonus. And then today, White Rabbit 96%, 3 hours for 4 bonuses, and there's a 80 minutes gap between 2nd and 3rd bonus.
    At 1/300+ bonus freq and a speed of 600-700 per hour, it's really easy to only getting a single bonus in an hour, or getting bonus on average once every 40-50 minutes for shorter sessions.I feel BTG being less trust worthy, after the native version went extinct and now there's only the Evolution version available.
    Evolution made some noticeable damage on BTG games: One of BTG's best games, Holy Diver, cannot be found anymore. And White Rabbit also went from 97% RTP Feature Drop version to 96% Bonus Buy version. Not only players who have no access to bonus buy can't get any more free bonus by reducing the feature drop price to 0, it's also 1% RTP lower, out of nowhere, for no reasons. Book of 99 (99%), Money Train 2 Bonus Buy (98%) are still there, and nowhere near as popular as those 96% Games: Sweet Bonanza, Wanted, Mental, etc.. Reducing RTP by 1% on an old 97% game that doesn't have many players...at least I can't get it.

     

    This setup is cool. x2 Wild on reel 2-5. This can easily be a 200x-300x, or even bigger.

    Unfortunately due to having an unhealthy sub 100x balance, I only got 2 symbols on reel 1, leading to a sub 100x disappointing result.

     

    Result

    IT'S TIME TO STOP. AND ACTIONS MUST BE TAKEN.

    I have to do something, and self exclude myself from low balance spinning, which is essentially a suicide mission to me. From now on, whenever my balance is about to drop below 100x, I'll stop spinning. Go play some Limbo, Mines, HiLo, Mission Uncrossable, or whatever, to either bring the balance back to a healthy level (300x-350x) or end the session earlier.

    Oh yeah, I know a method to intentionally chase a 500x+ LBW. Some sites have the vault function, by playing on my laptop and keep moving funds into/from the vault on my phone meanwhile, I can maintain a balance between 0x-95x.
    This just sounds like set my money on fire, and look at the sky, hope that all stars line up and a miracle happens, causing more money fall from the sky.

    Maybe I'll do that degen experiment after hitting some big wins, but definitely not now, I'm down around another 10Kx in July already.

  9. karlo76
    Beginner
    36 points
    2 years ago
    #10

    I would recommend Playngo if you want your balance to last.They arent that hard to get 500x on and you will surely get to play for some time at least unlike nolimit and hacksaw where you need to get really lucky at fairly quick time before your balance is depleted.Also the ELK is not an worst option either but the script is strong with that one and dont expect wins over 100-200x

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